Changing Cat kibble

Eleora

New member
Joined
Dec 13, 2017
Location
Scotland
Molly currently gets some Burns dry food at night, and sometimes a little during the day but her diet is mostly wet food Animonda Carney, GranataPet and Lilys Kitchen along with chicken/turkey breast.

I have researched that chicken meal is better for cats then just chicken is this correct? this is the ingredients of her dry food

Burns dry kitten
Ingredients:
Chicken meal 43%, white rice 33%, maize, chicken fat, hydrolysed chicken livers, vitamins & minerals, seaweed, salmon oil

Additives per kg:
Vitamin A (21,630 IU), vitamin D3 (1,730 IU), vitamin E (82 IU), zinc sulphate monohydrate 270mg, ferrous sulphate monohydrate 240mg, manganous sulphate monohydrate 90mg, cupric sulphate pentahydrate 20mg, sodium selenite 0.6mg, taurine 500mg

I have come across some information that is saying rice is bad for cats if this is true I would like to change the Burns dry food to another type here are some I have in mind and I would really love everyone's view . Thanks.

http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/cats/dry_cat_food/purizon/purizon_kitten/497171?gclid=CjwKCAiAsejRBRB3EiwAZft7sMXUcsGY9JJuHtfc23E8IRz7REvlUlYFYyAYVrt7OsLvOADRTseuORoCEakQAvD_BwE


https://www.lilyskitchen.co.uk/products/kitten/all/item/curious-kitten-complete-dry-food


https://fetch.co.uk/arden-grange-kitten-dry-cat-food-2kg-90472011


https://www.barkingheads.co.uk/cat-food/kitten-food/kittens-delight
 

linda2147

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 13, 2014
Location
New Hampshire
rice is a grain, cats are carnivors they don't need grains, maize is corn another ingredient you don't want to feed. And chicken meal is chicken waste like feathers, eyes ect. You want the first ingredient to be meat.

I feed my cats natural balance wet food, give them different flavors for variety, for dry food I feed fromm duck but I'm having a hard time finding the fromm duck so I'm gradually switching to halo.
 

Eleora

New member
Joined
Dec 13, 2017
Location
Scotland
Original Poster
And chicken meal is chicken waste like feathers, eyes ect.
O_O Yuk.
Google said this, Chicken meal is the dry rendered product from a combination of clean chicken flesh and skin with or without accompanying bone, derived from whole carcasses of chicken, exclusive of feathers, heads, feet and entrails. The protein content is 65% and the fat level is 12%. Regular chicken contains about 70% water with 18% protein and 5% fat. :/

https://blueseal.com/tech-talks/chicken-and-chicken-meal-what-are-the-differences/
 

Alpha1

Pack Leader and Lover
Joined
Mar 28, 2012
Location
USA
I like to use foods with chicken as the first ingredient, and not white rice, but at least brown rice if they use rice in the recipe. That Purizon you linked to looks like a good choice. This is what I use, it is weight control and hairball formula, but I was using the regular version of this Blue dry food, been using this brand since he was a kitten.....along with various quality canned daily. https://bluebuffalo.com/natural-cat-food/blue-for-cats/dry-food/lpf-indoor-weight-control-hairball-chicken/

Chicken meal description from the Blue Buffalo site:

Chicken Meal

Chicken meal is a highly digestible protein source produced by cooking chicken at high temperatures, extracting the fat and drying the meat residue. It is a meat protein, providing essential amino acids and fatty acids, vitamins, and minerals for muscle development and energy. It is naturally stabilized with mixed tocopherols and rosemary to preserve freshness.




 

Alpha1

Pack Leader and Lover
Joined
Mar 28, 2012
Location
USA
Another view on chicken meal HERE.

Let’s differentiate between chicken and chicken meal. The definition for chicken, according to the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO), describes it as a clean combination of flesh and skin with or without accompanying bone, derived from parts of whole carcasses of chickens thereof, exclusive of feathers, heads, feet and entrails.

Chicken meal, according to AAFCO, is the dry rendered product from a combination of clean flesh and skin with and without accompanying bone, derived from whole carcasses of chicken thereof, exclusive of feathers, heads, feet and entrails.

Chicken essentially is taking a roaster and grinding it up, mixing everything together including muscle, skin and bones. The water content averages around 70%, along with 18% protein and 5% fat. Now take this ground chicken and carefully dry it to a moisture level of 10%. The protein content is now 65% and the fat level is 12%. This product is chicken meal.
 

CatMom1994

Loving cats forever
Joined
Jul 23, 2017
Location
Florida
Thanks for posting the ingredient list. Corn, rice, seaweed, any kind of meal or byproducts, and whatever they call hydrolized liver (I never heard of it) are bad for cats. If you see chicken fat on the list, there is not much animal protein and they are just cheating their way to promoting kitten growth. I don't see a single natural source of animal protein on that ingredient list.
 

Eleora

New member
Joined
Dec 13, 2017
Location
Scotland
Original Poster
To my knowledge chicken meal is like buying a chicken that humans would eat from the supermarket and grinding it all up, However to be honest I find the entire pet food industry very confusing and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Burns may be playing with words. I can spend hours trying to figure out food labels only to come away understanding 1% of what I just tried to research. XD Its like psychological warfare.

I just want the best for my little Angel.
 

Eleora

New member
Joined
Dec 13, 2017
Location
Scotland
Original Poster
I like to use foods with chicken as the first ingredient, and not white rice, but at least brown rice if they use rice in the recipe. That Purizon you linked to looks like a good choice. This is what I use, it is weight control and hairball formula, but I was using the regular version of this Blue dry food, been using this brand since he was a kitten.....along with various quality canned daily. https://bluebuffalo.com/natural-cat-food/blue-for-cats/dry-food/lpf-indoor-weight-control-hairball-chicken/

Chicken meal description from the Blue Buffalo site:

Chicken Meal

Chicken meal is a highly digestible protein source produced by cooking chicken at high temperatures, extracting the fat and drying the meat residue. It is a meat protein, providing essential amino acids and fatty acids, vitamins, and minerals for muscle development and energy. It is naturally stabilized with mixed tocopherols and rosemary to preserve freshness.





Hi thank you for the information the cat food you linked looks very good, I forgot to add Applaws to my list could you gave me your view on that one please

https://www.applaws.co.uk/product/dry-kitten-chicken/

Thanks.
 

CatMom1994

Loving cats forever
Joined
Jul 23, 2017
Location
Florida
To my knowledge chicken meal is like buying a chicken that humans would eat from the supermarket and grinding it all up, However to be honest I find the entire pet food industry very confusing and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Burns may be playing with words. I can spend hours trying to figure out food labels only to come away understanding 1% of what I just tried to research. XD It's like psychological warfare.

I just want the best for my little Angel.
Of course you do, or we would not even know about Molly. :love_heart:

The keyword is rendered. It does start with digestible parts of a chicken, but the rendering process is viewer discretion advised. Linda got meal and byproducts mixed up. Byproducts are the feathers, beaks, feet, etc. No cats need them; they know which parts of a bird to leave behind. If feral cats don't eat beaks, feathers, and feet, why should domestic cats?

You are right about pet food companies fooling you with their vocabulary. The reason they use the words meal and byproducts is they don't want you to know what junk they add to it in place of real meat. Now therre's a huge natural food, grain-free craze in which pet food companies claim their products are healthier because they are grain-free and don't have chicken meal, chicken byproducts, etc. but are sneaky in other ways that pet parents do not understand without thorough research. Truthaboutpetfood.com is a good website to start at to learn the cold, dirty facts pet food companies are hiding from us.
 

Eleora

New member
Joined
Dec 13, 2017
Location
Scotland
Original Poster
Of course you do, or we would not even know about Molly. :love_heart:

The keyword is rendered. It does start with digestible parts of a chicken, but the rendering process is viewer discretion advised. Linda got meal and byproducts mixed up. Byproducts are the feathers, beaks, feet, etc. No cats need them; they know which parts of a bird to leave behind. If feral cats don't eat beaks, feathers, and feet, why should domestic cats?

You are right about pet food companies fooling you with their vocabulary. The reason they use the words meal and byproducts is they don't want you to know what junk they add to it in place of real meat. Now therre's a huge natural food, grain-free craze in which pet food companies claim their products are healthier because they are grain-free and don't have chicken meal, chicken byproducts, etc. but are sneaky in other ways that pet parents do not understand without thorough research. Truthaboutpetfood.com is a good website to start at to learn the cold, dirty facts pet food companies are hiding from us.
Thank you I will have a good read. :) Its an insidious industry bit like big pharma and the rest.
 

CatMom1994

Loving cats forever
Joined
Jul 23, 2017
Location
Florida
Thank you I will have a good read. It's an insidious industry bit like big pharma and the rest.
How is it like big pharma?

I think TAPF was founded after the massive 2007 pet food recalls that prompted the "grain-free" and "made in the USA" labeling requirements.
 

Eleora

New member
Joined
Dec 13, 2017
Location
Scotland
Original Poster
How is it like big pharma?
I mean the Pet Food Industry is like Big Pharma by telling us something is good and leaving out the long term side affects. Leaving out the negatives and only giving us the positives. Yes some drugs do help but I don't want a drug that will help one thing but then I end up having to deal with 5 other things :p Never mind just my mind wondering, I do that a lot and go way off topic.
 

Eleora

New member
Joined
Dec 13, 2017
Location
Scotland
Original Poster
Of course you do, or we would not even know about Molly. :love_heart:

The keyword is rendered. It does start with digestible parts of a chicken, but the rendering process is viewer discretion advised.
I just read this !!!!

Because meat can be rid of infectious agents through the rendering process, “4D” animals (dead, dying, diseased or disabled) are allowable chicken meal ingredients. While not always present, the possible inclusion of these ingredients makes chicken meal always considered unfit for human consumption.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_meal
 

Alpha1

Pack Leader and Lover
Joined
Mar 28, 2012
Location
USA
I don't consider chicken meal a bad ingredient, as long as it's not the first one on the list. More on chicken meal HERE

AAFCO definition of poultry by-product meal:
Consists of the ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcasses of slaughtered poultry, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs, and intestines, exclusive of feathers except in such amounts as might occur unavoidably in good processing practices.
Keep in mind by-products consist of the parts of animals that are NOT meat. Poultry by-products include parts of the fowl that have little or no nutritional value -- and there's no way to tell which parts have been mixed into your pet's food.
The scientist refers to poultry by-products as value-added ingredients. Value-added for whom? Certainly not the animals eating the stuff. He also describes rendering as environmentally responsible.



It doesn't seem appropriate nutrition for dogs and cats is a part of the discussion at all, does it? It's clearly all about what's important and of value to the pet food industry's bottom line – not the health or quality of life of the animals it is feeding.


For obvious reasons, poultry by-products are less expensive than, for example, chicken muscle meat, but they are also less digestible for dogs and cats. Pets deficient in high quality protein at the cellular level are often constantly hungry. An inexpensive pet food with by-products doesn't end up being much of a bargain if you're feeding twice as much of it to your dog or cat, attempting unsuccessfully to satisfy his hunger.
More Word Confusion
Back to the pet food company scientist's statement, "The petfood world is very reliant on poultry byproducts. Chicken meal and poultry fat are important ingredients in pet food."



Chicken meal is not a poultry by-product.


AAFCO definition of chicken meal:
Chicken which has been ground or otherwise reduced in particle size.
Why does the scientist continue to switch back and forth between words describing generally good quality ingredients (chicken fat, chicken meal), and words describing poor quality ingredients (poultry fat, poultry by-products)?


Why would a pet food company's quality assurance scientist be so imprecise in his discussion of The Importance of Rendered Ingredients in Pet Foods?



Did he mean to say chicken by-product meal, since the thrust of his presentation is the virtue of using rendered by-products?


AAFCO definition of chicken by-product meal:
Chicken by-product meal consists of the dry, ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs and intestines -- exclusive of feathers except in such amounts as might occur unavoidable in good processing practices.
Chicken meal is vastly different from chicken by-product meal. The distinction between good/decent pet food ingredients and poor ingredients is a crucially important one. Trying to decipher an ingredient label to determine the quality of a pet food is challenging, to say the least.


 

CatMom1994

Loving cats forever
Joined
Jul 23, 2017
Location
Florida
I would not want it second on the list either. In fact I don't see anything that should convince me chicken meal is a good way to get animal protein.
 

Eleora

New member
Joined
Dec 13, 2017
Location
Scotland
Original Poster
I found this stuff and its available locally but I thought garlic was bad for cats?

https://freshpet.com/uk/#!/recipe/7


Ingredients
[h=5]Chicken (54%), Chicken Liver (21%), Ocean Whitefish (10%), Pea Protein, Digest, Pea Fibre, Eggs, Minerals, Carrots (1%), Spinach (0.3%), Garlic Powder, Celery Seed Powder[/h]Nutritional Additives / kg
Vitamin D3 632 IU, Vitamin E 84 IU, Zinc Chelate of Amino Acids Hydrate 450 mg (Zinc 67 mg), Ferrous Chelate of Amino Acids Hydrate 492 mg (Iron 74 mg), Cupric Chelate of Amino Acids Hydrate 46 mg (Copper 6.9 mg), Manganese Chelate of Amino Acids Hydrate 56 mg (Manganese 8.4 mg), Sodium Selenite 0.21 mg (Selenium 0.1 mg), Calcium Iodate 0.5 mg (Iodine 0.3 mg), Taurine 528 mg

What do you think?
 

linda2147

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 13, 2014
Location
New Hampshire
if the cat is used to commercial food he may not like the raw. I feed the dog raw but the cats refuse to eat anything but cat food. None of my cats will touch table food, nothing, not even raw meat.
 

Alpha1

Pack Leader and Lover
Joined
Mar 28, 2012
Location
USA
So I have made my mind up I am going to try her on Eden I ordered a sample pack, but now I just remembered that I forgot to ask if its ok for a 9 month old kitten. (rolls eyes) the plan is to reduce the dry food and try a bit of raw along with her wet food, like one raw meal a day.

https://edenpetfoods.com/products/eden-cat-food/eden-85-15-original-cat-food.html
Petshop, co, UK said on their site that it's suitable for all cats including kittens, just adjust the serving size appropriately. I was always suspicious of that with dog foods, the brand that said they could be fed for pups or adults, because puppies do have some extra nutritional needs I understand.

Good luck with the new food and feeding routine, seems like a good product there. My cat will eat things like a bit of raw ground beef or steak, but I never gave him too much because he did have some digestive issues when we got him as a kitten.
 

CatMom1994

Loving cats forever
Joined
Jul 23, 2017
Location
Florida
I found this stuff and its available locally but I thought garlic was bad for cats?

https://freshpet.com/uk/#!/recipe/7


Ingredients
Chicken (54%), Chicken Liver (21%), Ocean Whitefish (10%), Pea Protein, Digest, Pea Fibre, Eggs, Minerals, Carrots (1%), Spinach (0.3%), Garlic Powder, Celery Seed Powder

Nutritional Additives / kg
Vitamin D3 632 IU, Vitamin E 84 IU, Zinc Chelate of Amino Acids Hydrate 450 mg (Zinc 67 mg), Ferrous Chelate of Amino Acids Hydrate 492 mg (Iron 74 mg), Cupric Chelate of Amino Acids Hydrate 46 mg (Copper 6.9 mg), Manganese Chelate of Amino Acids Hydrate 56 mg (Manganese 8.4 mg), Sodium Selenite 0.21 mg (Selenium 0.1 mg), Calcium Iodate 0.5 mg (Iodine 0.3 mg), Taurine 528 mg

What do you think?
That stuff is awful. "Digiest" is another word pet food companies use to hide dirty tricks. And yes, garlic is bad for cats. At least you are getting somewhere with the first three ingredients being meat.
 

Alpha1

Pack Leader and Lover
Joined
Mar 28, 2012
Location
USA
I don't think it's awful, a lot of grain free foods these days will use peas or some form of pea fiber in their recipes for protein. Wilderness Grain Free uses peas and pea fiber, I think the 'digest' is just a more digestible form of the peas, could be the same as the fiber.
 

CatMom1994

Loving cats forever
Joined
Jul 23, 2017
Location
Florida
I don't think it's awful, a lot of grain free foods these days will use peas or some form of pea fiber in their recipes for protein. Wilderness Grain Free uses peas and pea fiber, I think the 'digest' is just a more digestible form of the peas, could be the same as the fiber.
Animal digest is a common ingredient used in pet foods. As defined by the Association of American Feed Control Officials, digest is produced by the chemical or enzymatic hydrolysis of clean animal tissue that has not undergone decomposition. These animal tissues may not include hair, horns, teeth, hooves, and feathers, with the exclusion of trace amounts that are unavoidable even after acceptable processing methods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_digest
 


Top